Star Trek's Vision
By Christian Höhne SparborthPosted at July 27, 1999 - 5:00 AM GMT
Welcome to a new edition of the Trek Nation mailbag! As we're already a day late, let's quickly dive into your mails!
We're still receiving a surprising amount of mail about the whole Brannon Braga / Ron Moore thing, combined with some very interesting thoughts on where Voyager will be heading over the next few years.
From: Anthony Hetherington
As for mistreatment, check this out ( from Final Frontiers website): "The Motion Picture
writer Harold Livingston quit the production three times over intense
conflicts with Gene Roddenberry. Harold Livingston: "I just didn't think
that Gene was a good writer. He, for his part, I'm sure, considered me a
total interloper.".
Dennis Clark was hired as a new writer in Livingston's absence the first
time he
quit. Dennis Clark: "(Roddenberry) makes very bad mistakes with the
people that
work with him. He alienates them. I was always a Trekkie. I would have
been very
proud to have my name on the first 'Star Trek' movie."
Dennis Clark: "Gene didn't want (Nimoy and Shatner's) input. He didn't
want me
to have their input. He didn't even like (director) Bob Wise's input. I
wish I could
tell you more, but my point of view is very biased and it's a part of my
life I don't
even like to think about." Clark stayed for only three months and
Livingston was
asked back by Paramount.
Leonard Nimoy: "There was no indication of where Spock would fit into
the bigger
picture. I took it as Gene really being lost on that issue. He was just
farting around,
trying to shoehorn the character into the basic framework of his
existing
screenplay."
I think people should be careful before pronouncing the death of the
franchise based on the alleged actions of Braga, and believing (and
saying) that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if Roddenberry was
here. News flash: TREK was notorious for it, and it usually stemmed
from GR himself. But, it's all lies, all lies. Has to be. No other
possibility.
"When Roddenberry didn't get script credit for The Motion Picture, he
protested
and it almost went to arbitration by the Writer's Guild. Harold
Livingston: "I guess
(Roddenberry) decided to withdraw (the protest) and assume this injured
pose. But
he would have lost the arbitration because he didn't write any script.
All he did was
rewrite, patch up, fool around and screw everything up.""
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Subject: Berman, Braga and The Franchise's Future
With all the hoopla over Braga and Berman recently, and that these boys
are the Devil and the anti-Christ, etc, etc, because of some very shaky
*perceptions.* There is no concrete proof that either have done
anything actually lewd or disgusting (unless you consider the alleged
mistreatment of Ron Moore to be so). The difference, I think, behind
peoples' feelings toward these two is that they are not Gene
Roddenberry, and do not pretend to be. Frankly, I think it comes down
to personal taste, that's why these two have been slaughtered on-line.
People talk about quality of product, etc, but what they conveniently
forget is that the Great Bird of the Galaxy actually presided over what
fans and critics alike feel are TNG's worst seasons (1st and 2nd).
Personally I feel Rick Berman is someone who can't be thanked enough for saving Star Trek as a television series, and creating gems such as Deep Space Nine.
From: Patrick O'Sullivan
"Harve Bennett: "What I couldn't understand was Gene's concept of Star
Trek. I
was fresh from seeing seventy-nine episodes, and I thought I knew what
Star Trek
was in its original form . . . .'Star Trek,' he said, 'is not a
paramilitary show.'
That's not true. 'Star Trek,' in his words from the sixties, 'is Horatio
Hornblower.'
That's a paramilitary show to me. The analogy between the United States
Navy or
any navy and Star Trek is so preeminent that you can't possibly miss it.
I mean,
why then are we dealing with 'admirals' and 'captains,' 'commanders',
'lieutenants' and so forth? The Enterprise is simply a naval vessel at
sea, in space.
'There was never', he said, 'violence and conflict in the twenty-third
century.'
Well how do you deal with that when you are fresh from seeing the
episodes
where there was a great deal of violence? There were traditional
roustabout fights;
there were barroom brawls; there was nerve pinching; there was exotic
weaponry.
There were always people doing bad things to people, very bad things to
people."
Harve Bennett: "Suddenly I saw the seeds of what had bored me in Star
Trek: The
Motion Picture. It seemed as though Gene, in his statesmanlike personal
growth,
had now begun confusing his own idealism - which was wonderful, about a
peaceful future and man's ability to grow in the years ahead - with Star
Trek.""
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Subject: An evolved humanity in outer space:
When pronouncing sentence over the current TREK administration, please
consider the following about this whole 'what is Trek?' scenario:
From: Jim McCain
I find the supposed farewell to Ron Moore by a former colleague to ring hollow. First there is no name for this person and the style of the letter seems more fannish than profesional. It praises Moore and then says that fans are disallusioned with the quality of the show. That is contradictory. All in all I think the letter is nothing more than a fake to have something to place on this web site. Voyagers quality improved this last season and DS9 has always had high quality.
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Subject: Farewell to Ron Moore
Unfortunately I can not offer you any proof of the letter's validity - for obvious reasons, the writer did not want his/her name to be published next to the piece, as the higher-ups at Paramount wouldn't exactly like that. I can say that several people 'in the know' confirmed the validity of the letter, but, unfortunately, I cannot offer you any hard evidence.
From: Monica
Very interesting articles on the future of ST.
Julia Houston, Jim Wright and Heather Jarmon all have very insightful
comments.
I just hope that Voyager gets a chance to shine a bit. Even if TPTB don't
invest as much of their efforts into it, Voyager deserves to be treated like
a treasure that it is.
Let's hope for a great Season Six
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Subject: Gosh I hope Braga and Berman arent that bad
To whom it may concern,
From: Kelly
To: cian devane [From last week's mailbag]
The question isn't why is Rodenberry's vision "being thrown out the window in
favor of good ratings and demographics" . The question is why is the vision
being thrown out for BAD ratings and demographics. Looking through studio
execs green colored glasses, Next Gen. was real popular, big ratings, big
profits. Berman and company wanted to try something new on DS-9. Admirably
the studio let them try it. DS-9 didn't go over as well. Not a bad show but
- no big ratings - no big money. Berman and company were given a second shot
with Voyager. Still no big ratings, still no big money. Next Gen movies not
doing as well. You would think by now they would be figuring they should go
back to the Roddenberry formula or whatever. Instead, Berman and Braga are
getting another shot.
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Subject: Voyager
Isn't it true that the Next Generation didn't get really popular until after the first two seasons? Personally I do believe Deep Space Nine was a success, and the reason why I still have trust in Berman.
From: Scott Suton
It seems to me the smartest thing to do would be to get Voyager back to
the Alpha Quadrant and let stories develop that would develop on a new
series. The characters on Voyager are good, solid characters. I think
the writers need to change their approach to storylines.
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Subject: voyager's future
Even this week we still got two mails about the Voyager cancellation rumours:
From: Wildstar
I agree with many fans in saying that Voyager had extreme problems in terms of writing, character development, etc. early on, but a great deal of restructuring has been done that has significantly improved the show. There is an increase in the number of consistently good individual episodes. There is more attention paid now to character development, character interaction, back stories related to the ship and crew members, and better attention paid to subtle details.
I believe many Trek fans allowed themselves to become at least somewhat indifferent about Voyager's future when the show failed to live up to a lot of expectations. However, now that improvements have been made and a significant amount of quality writing has been pumped into it, it seems that a lot of those same Trek fans who turned a blind eye to Voyager before are resistent to give credit to the positive changes or to admit that there is some hope for the show's survival.
Some may feel that my position is harsh, but I've seen this kind of attitude displayed by thousands of Trek fans at several conventions throughout the southeastern U.S. The con fans in question regularly joke about Voyager and are very quick to point out a huge number of flaws while paying little to no attention to the improvements. A lot of the best episodes to date, such as "The Year of Hell," are completely ignored. A good example of con fan attitudes about the show was discovered by me when I discussed Voyager with a group at this year's Dragon*Con in Atlanta, Georgia. None of them had even seen the really good episodes of the fourth and fifth seasons. They still had their minds stuck in seasons one through three and couldn't fathom the show ever getting better.
The reason why I think cancelling Voyager with season six will make a bad situation worse is because if anything like this ever happens again with another Star Trek series, then an early Voyager cancellation will give Paramount a precedent to pull the plug on that future show even sooner than they are considering doing now. Early cancellation could lay down a virtual path marked with the message, "A Star Trek series will be tried, will succeed from the beginning, and will continue succeeding perpetually or Paramount will cancel it as soon as possible with no chances given for improvement."
Also, a very significant point to consider here is what would have happened if cancellation had been done early in the scheme of things with Star Trek: The Next Generation? The last statement may have sparked off a few laughs because so many people forget about history. ST:TNG was in danger of failing in the ratings in its first and second seasons. Of course, the Star Trek crew kept tinkering with it and making improvements until they got it right for the majority of fans, and then we had the tremendous hit. True, it has taken much longer to get the kinks worked out of Voyager, but I think there's another question that begs for an answer: Is Star Trek really worth the extra effort? In answer to it, YES, I very much think it is worth the effort to improve Voyager and continue with it for the sake of the future health of the franchise.
Well, that's my two cents worth. If I offended anyone who doesn't see where I'm coming from, then that's just sad because my mind is on the idea of preservation of Trek in the most positive manner possible. I am a die-hard Trek fan, and I seriously hope that discussing these views here will provoke other fans to try to objectively think about the points I brought up. Peace.
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Subject: I believe Voyager getting cancelled early would not be good and may make a bad situation worse.
From: Lisa Browning
I do not agree that canceling the show would be "good for Star Trek". While
Voyager may be considered "beyond saving" by some, what kind of message does
this send about the overall health of the Star Trek franchise? DS9 never had
overwhelming ratings in syndication, and the gross from the most recent
movie, "Insurrection" was significantly down from "First Contact". Canceling
Voyager would only add to an increasing idea that Star Trek is dying, and
might even make TPTB less likely to invest in a new project.
I also feel it is not entirely fair to blame Voyager for poor ratings. UPN
is still not in all of the viewing markets after several years as a fledgling
network. Most of its shows are canceled after a year on the air. The few
exceptions, Voyager included, should be kept, not ditched, if there is any
hope that UPN will continue as a network. Despite its low ratings, Voyager
has consistently been the highest rated show that UPN has. With DS9 off the
air, and Babylon 5's "Crusade" being sidelined after only a few episodes,
Voyager has the potential to gain more of an audience this year, but it will
need the support of UPN to do so. While speculation about cancellation has
been put off until the end of this year, this still does not bode well for
the show. Voyager will not miraculously gain more viewers unless UPN makes a
concerted effort to attract them. A "wait and see" policy will be a
self-fulfilling prophecy for Voyager.
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Subject: Cancellation of Voyager
A possible cancellation for Voyager would certainly send a bad message if this would mean the end of Star Trek - but what if we don't use the term 'cancellation' and instead think of it as making way for a great new Trek series? Personally I wouldn't object to that.
Our regularly scheduled collection of mails on a variety of subjects.
From: Jonathan Geehan
To: feedback@treknation.com
Subject: Something must be done
I don't know enough about the internet to start my own save Star Trek site,
but something must be done. Fans must organize letter writing campaigns to
let Paramount and Rick Berman that they're killing Star Trek, and the
franchise. It needs a long break so fans will be in anticipation of the
next new Trek. Please e-mail me back, ASAP!
From: 'Rick Berman'
i wanna share som exlscusive inside scoop on startrek episodes with you for your sight. dont say you got the from me. the new startrek will be with the enteprise-G, togehter with captain Kirk. we will have the Klingons to. if you have any questions mail me!!!!
To: christian@trektoday.com
Subject: news
hello great sight you hav we all reed it her at startrek.
Julia Houston wrote last week's installment of our 'The Franchise's Future' series of articles, which of course we also received several interesting mails about:
From: Warren V. Wind
Well it's about time someone stepped up and said something brutally honest about the future of Star Trek. Regardless of supposed nobility of the Roddenberry vision of the future, it all comes down to making money and profit!!! I salute Julia Houston's honesty.
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Subject: Julia Houston-The Franchise's Future
Oh, thanks very much. It's kind of funny that even on the show, though they pretend they don't use money anymore, they've imported the old-fashioned barter system and that whole "gold-pressed latinum" thing. Even in fiction, let's be frank, money makes the galaxy go around!
From: Doug G.
I think we're all missing the boat...er starship here. Star Trek, when it's good, is driven by powerful scripts. Everyone said you could never replace Kirk, Spock et al. But the following three series and last two feature films proves otherwise. Here's the plan. Set a series in the Star Trek universe on any ship, pick one, Enterprise, Voyager, Defiant, Excalibur (for all you New Frontier novel fans) and run the run in perpetuity. If actors want to leave, replace them, if then want to come back, bring'em back. Star Trek works best when the characters are boldy going where no one has gone before. It's the format and writing that make good Star Trek. Sure the characters are memorable, but that's due to good actors. Look at the show Law and Order over the years they've replaced every major character and they're still going strong. So wether the next series is Flight Academy, or Next Generation 2, The Return of Voyager or Tales of the Imperial Klingon Defense Force. Put the characters on a ship and let the good writers do their stuff. IMHO :-)
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Subject: (No Subject)
Tamara Thomas' Our Future Goal article drew in one rather long mail, and an even longer response from Tamara herself:
From: Mark
I wanted to comment on Tamara Thomas' article (Our Future Goal). I think
it's unlikely that humankind will ever adopt Federation ideas and goals.
Thomas makes reference to the technological leaps during World War Two.
Surely that disproves her point. People did indeed work together in the
pursuit of one goal during WW2, and many scientific advances were made, but
that was purely because the human race had a common enemy to fight. This
shows that people can only work together when their single goal is violence.
The same is true of Trek. When they thought they were alone in space, the
humans were constantly at war. When they developed warp travel, they picked
fights with every race they found instead; the Klingons, then the Romulans,
then the Dominion, then Species 8472. As Trek episodes like "In the Flesh"
and "What you Leave Behind" show, all of these conflicts were based on a
misunderstanding of cultures. The Federation used the pretence of peace and
relied on violent instincts to solve their problems when they could not
communicate. If you still don't belive me, ask yourself; where was the
respect for cultures and non-violent solutions in the Voyager episode
"Macrocosm"? Or "Nemesis"? Or the entire series of TOS? Or the entire
Dominion War?
I would love it if one day the world woke up and said in unison "Let's adopt
a Federation society". But it will never happen. We already have the
Federation technology. A Dutch company recently invented a rudimentary
Holodeck. A Canadian company invented a working Tricorder for the study of
Ecosystems. The modern mobile phone is similar to Kirk's communicator.
Philips invented the Padd in 1991. Scientists have designed a space shuttle
that is powered by antimatter, and other scientists have designed a ship
that travels by folding the space around it (partially inspired by warp
travel)!
If we have the Federation technology, why aren't we using it? The human race
is too busy killing each other to worry about boldly going anywhere. Why
make the antimatter ship when we can get ten nuclear warheads for the same
price [rhetorical]? It's a sad fact, but humans are innately violent.
Technology and contact with aliens is not enough to over-write centuries of
genetic programming. The ambivalent values of the 24th century Federation
prove this as well as real life could ever prove it.
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Subject: Comment on a TrekNatin article
Firstly, thank you for commenting on my article. Your arguments were interesting and persuasive. I certainly can't dismiss Scott's arguments easily. Our society's use of violence as a solution to resolving cultural differences has been a feature of our society and unfortunately continues to be a terrible attribute of our culture. Scott's references to the ambivilant nature of 24th century federation society also cannot be dismissed. A prime example of this is Star Trek: Insurrection where the Federation was willing to forgo its principles forcibly relocate another society in the name of advancement.
Where I can reply to Scott's arguments is his assertion that violence is instinctual to the human race and that we are genetically programmed to react to problem situations in a violent manner. I cannot believe that this is true. I know that I solve problems and deal with cultural differences with out the use of violence. If violence was genetically programmed then how is has the human race managed to exist this long? If the use of violence was instinctual our society would have been all over 30 years ago during the cold war. What kept those nations from summarily destroying each other? I believe that some of us learned that violence is not the solution to our problems. If the use of violence was imbedded in our genetic makeup we would have never learned that lesson.
The captains in Star Trek always seem to give the peaceful solution a go before resulting to violence. The use of violence seems to be used as the last resort and it is as a direct result of extreme provocation. For example, on many occasions Captain Janeway has used negotiation and peaceful solutions to resolve conflicts. She is always keen to learn about new cultures and become friends with them.
The examples of the world achieving aspects of Federation technology are examples of our ability to go forward with out a common enemy. The computer age is partly the result of commercial competition.
My argument is that a focus on space exploration and contact with other cultures may help us solve our current problems by providing us a worthy and peaceful goal to pursue rather than floundering around. I believe this can be achieved by a groundswell of support for science and a common belief in the respect for others.
Scott may be right and my idealism and belief in the humanity may be displaced. However, ideals are the catalyst for change and you never know, it may happen.
Fred Shedian's A Take On Trek column seems to inspire a lot of people to write in. Take a look at the mails we got about his 'Back to Basics' column, and Fred's responses to the mails:
From: Jim Zimmerman
"interesting, but boring." Huh?
Although I don't agree with Fred in his criticism of DS9 or the Dominion War(some of the best Trek ever, IMO), I can certainly support his suggestion of an exploration theme for the next show. Furthermore, I also agree that it should take place on an Enterprise and be in the future (uh, future of TNG, DS9 & Voyager, I mean. I can never remember what century it is). Rather than the far future, however, I'd prefer to see it in a near future of maybe ten years
or so.
That leaves the door open for some guest appearances by old friends.
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Subject: Re Fred's Column, 7/19/199
In regard to the Dominion War, as I like to say, disagreement is another advantage to not being a member of the Borg Collective. I believe the next series needs to be set in a new time. We have really beaten the 24th Century to death with TNG, DS9, and VOY. But ten years in the future, with the correct writing, could be a good substitute.
From: Frank McCormick
I must say I agree with many points contained in Fred Sheridan's "A Take On
Trek." I look forward to future columns. But there are some things I do
not agree with.
I may just be an oversensitive teen and I apologize if I misinterpreted,
but
Mr. Sheridan seems to be looking down on younger fans. Just because we are
young and didn't go through the 70s and most of the 80s with no Trek, we
are
the reason that Star Trek's message have been lost. I admit, I like Borg
attacks and Dominion battles. So sue me. However, what I, and most
younger
Trekkers I know, love is good storytelling and thought-provoking ideas. We
are not TOTALLY hormone driven troglodytes who only want Star Wars-esque
battles and fighting! (Although I take exception to his seeming contempt of
Star Wars as well, but that's a whole other argument and one that is all to
familiar amongst Trek fans who like SW and those that sneer at it.) All
the
CGI in the universe cannot make up for bad writing and a shallow idea pool.
I also have a more general gripe with his use of the whole "Roddenberry's
vision is being lost" statement. Gene Roddenberry was a great man who
should be honored for what he did and what he started. But sometimes it
seems like he and his vision are far too lionized. The answer to Star
Trek's problems should not be to backtrack and just redo TOS in the 25th
century. Star Trek is about looking ahead, new ideas, evolution. Not
retreating back to old, "safe" ideas the minute things do not go our way.
What does not change, decays and dies. Roddenberry's vision should be the
solid foundation upon which new structures (like war and the "dark" feel of
DS9) can be built.
But, as I said, I agree with a lot that he said. And I wholeheartedly
agree
with his closing thought. Seeing the Enterprise NCC-1701-G,H, I,J,....
would be GREAT!
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Subject: Regarding "A Take On Trek"
From: Kevin Watts
Fred Shedian~
You seem intent on critisizing New Trek. Well, I love it. For
example, take the Dominion War. You say that "Ratings have been
dropping". Well if people don't want to watch, fine. I like it. You also
say it is only about action scenes and CGI. I don't watch Trek for
action, I use Jackie Chan. You think it's pointless. I see one constant
lesson in all of the Dominion Arc. War is Bad, but through it all we see
hope, heroism and faith. If the Dominion War spoiled Trek, I wouldn't
watch it. I love Trek. So quite dissing it.
Bye the way a "Dawson's Trek" show would really suck.
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Subject: The Future of Trek
First, let me say that I honestly enjoyed DS9 and like Voyager. With that in mind, I think a lot of people liked the Dominion War...to a point. However, I simply don't think it was handled well and was highly overdone. I'm glad we agree on "Dawson's Trek."
From: Daniel Nicholls
I just finished reading Fred Shedian's 'Take on Trek' and have to declare that he is not a fan 'just like me'. As a matter of fact, I don't believe he is a fan of anything more than The Original Series. Don't get me wrong, Fred, I love TOS as well, but are you honestly suggesting that Deep Space Nine would have been better if it had tried to be a clone of that show, rather than breaking new ground as it did? The Original Series wasn't JUST about taking us to fantastic new worlds, it was MORE about making statements about the human condition through science fiction analogy. And that is something Deep Space Nine did fantastically, and episodes like 'Rocks & Shoals', 'Far Beyond the Stars' and 'Tacking into the Wind' did this better than ANY original series episode, and these are all epsides that simply could not have been done without the War as a backdrop. War is PART of the human condition. To ignore it (which TOS never did, ever seen 'Errand of Mercy', for starters?) is to ignore history.
I honestly laughed out loud when you blamed the Dominion war for Trek's failing ratings. Don't you mean Deep Space Nine? Hang on, that was the number one syndicated show in it's genre wasn't it? So what exactly are you talking about? I'd like to remind you of a different show, which got ratings so bad it was cancelled after three seasons. Aired in the sixties? Sound familiar? Are you saying that ratings determine the quality of a show? How about you try WATCHING Deep Space Nine and taking it on it's own merits? I don't mean to sound venomous, Fred, there were large parts of your column that I really agreed with, and you are a fine writer, but I am forced to say that I agree UTTERLY with Paramount's decision to do something DIFFERENT with Voyager and Deep Space Nine. During the first season of TNG, Gene Roddenberry was adamant that the show stand on it's own two legs, without having to constantly make references to the Original Series, and that's what made the show such a success, it was INTERNALLY good, rather than just riding on the original's coattails. I imagine if you were there you'd want to write in a gag for each episode where they would somehow mention the original series crew or thier exploits? This would be a recipe for disaster, as is the notion of trying to use the same concept over and over. It was original in the sixties. Let it be, please. Thank you Rick Berman (I'd like to remind everyone: a close friend of Gene's. Were we?) for having the guts to do something original rather than just trying to duplicate TOS.
Sorry for going on so long, Fred, but it really makes me retch when I hear yet another person compare the drama of Star Trek to the Special Effects of Star Wars (or Starship Troopers). Even a cursory observation of the two franchises reveals such an observation to be deeply flawed. Thanks for your time, looking forward to your next column.
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Subject: what is going on here?
I am a fan of all of the shows. I am not suggesting any clones, but think that the principles that made the franchise famous should be kept to. Since they haven't, rating have dropped. I believe that shows something. I agree that DS9 (and VOY) transmit messages. Also, Paramount had little to do with the concept for the new shows. They simply went with the best suggestions they were offered. I think Rick Berman is a good writer and I have to say I enjoy DS9 and VOY very much. Glad you enjoyed at least a bit of the column. Sorry to make you retch.
From: Phillip Sheath
I recently read Fred Shedians article on the Sar Trek Series V and i must
disagree with some of his opinions.
I don't believe the Dominion War to have made Trek more dark. One thing
about Trek is that it depicts mostly realistic events in the future,
something the Dominion War has strengthened. War is realistic. And not
every episode of DS9 was about the War, neither is every Voyager episode
about the Borg. (Although Voyager is, to an extent, more 'battle hungry'
than previous series')
I agree with Mr Shedians opinion that Star Trek has 'wandered' from Gene
Roddenberry's vision, but not to a massive extent and i also agree that
Trek
is about hope.
And about Trek V, i think we should all sit back enjoy the ride. Whatever
Braga and Berman pull out ought to be good.
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Subject: HMMM
I am glad we agree on several points. I still believe that the Dominion War, in a good move or not so good move, took away a lot of the innocence the show had. At this stage, I can't tell you if that's a positive or negative thing. Yes, Voyager does seem to love fighting and CGI. I don't think Trek is too far away from Roddenberry's vision, but just enough to make an impact.
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