Retro Review: The Way of the Warrior
8 min readAs Worf arrives on temporary assignment to Deep Space Nine, the Klingons and the Federation come into conflict over the Dominion menace.
Plot Summary: General Martok arrives with a fleet of Klingon ships, causing chaos for Starfleet and for DS9 as the Klingons cause trouble on the Promenade, particularly Martok’s son Drex, who violently attacks Garak. The Klingons stop Kasidy Yates’ freighter from leaving the station, insisting that it must be inspected for hidden Founders. Sisko takes the Defiant to defend Bajoran space from Klingon intrusion, but Martok executes the Klingon who lets Yates through. Sisko summons Worf, who has been at a monastery and is considering leaving Starfleet following the destruction of the Enterprise. Worf fights with Drex to get Martok’s attention, but since Martok will not explain why the Klingons are there, Worf instead gets an old friend drunk and learns that the Klingons are planning to invade Cardassia, whose recent coup they believe to have been engineered by changelings. Sisko passes this information on to his senior staff, making sure Garak is there to measure him for a suit at the time. The Federation refuses to intervene in the preemptive strike because of the peace treaty with the Klingons, but Worf believes that this is only the beginning of Gowron’s plans to expand the Klingon Empire, using the Dominion as an excuse. While Garak alerts Dukat to the coming invasion, Wprf meets with Gowron, who invites Worf to prove his friendship by joining the invasion force. When both Worf and the Federation condemn the attack, the Klingons expel the Federation ambassador and break the Khitomer Accords, ending decades of peace. Shamed by his own people, Worf tries to resign from Starfleet and leave the region, but Sisko insists that he remain for the duration of the crisis.
Unfazed by rumors of changelings on Cardassia, Sisko contacts Dukat and offers to escort Cardassia’s new civilian government to safety if Dukat can get them off the planet. Leaving Kira in command of the station, Sisko then takes the Defiant to rendezvous with Dukat, encountering hostile Klingon vessels on the way. Both Sisko and Worf are distressed to have to engage the Klingons in a battle that damages the Defiant’s cloaking device. After they successfully rescue the Cardassians, they return to the station with Klingon ships in pursuit while Bashir tests the Cardassians to determine whether they are, in fact, Founders. The tests are negative, but Martok demands the surrender of the Cardassians nonetheless, since Gowron believes the Alpha Quadrant will be safer if Klingons control Cardassian space. The Klingons threaten to attack the station, but are unprepared for the fortifications installed to defend against a possible Dominion attack. Klingons manage to board the station, but Odo’s security forces are able to contain them, and as Starfleet reinforcements arrive, Sisko is able to persuade Martok that a war among the Federation, Klingons and Cardassians will leave the Alpha Quadrant far more vulnerable to a Dominion attack. Gowron agrees to turn his ships around, but warns Sisko that the Klingons will never forgive this betrayal. Worf still intends to leave Starfleet, but Sisko persuades him to stay, since the only way to recover from past griefs is to face them. The crew welcomes Worf warmly, but their relief is tempered by the news that the Klingons are refusing to give up the Cardassian colonies they have taken over, meaning that the conflict is far from over.
Analysis: I remember that when “The Way of the Warrior” first aired, I had grave concerns about Worf as a permanent character on Deep Space Nine. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Worf on The Next Generation, but I was afraid that his presence would take time away from DS9 regulars whom I adored, further cut into Odo’s role on the station since Eddington and Worf are both Starfleet-trained to do similar jobs, and amp up the macho factor of a series where that had never been a priority. As it turned out, I had nothing to worry about; having Worf around freed up Odo and Eddington for different roles entirely, and the approach to gender roles and relationships on DS9 remains the most sophisticated of any of the Star Treks, far more so than Voyager‘s with its woman captain. I was annoyed at the time that Kira and Dax met Worf in the most stereotypically girly of ways, coming off the holodeck in Renfaire fantasy outfits, but there’s almost nothing that’s stereotypical beyond the very superficial trappings played up by the producers for what they’ve always believed is Star Trek’s core audience, namely young white men, despite the fact that many of the loudest voices in the fandom are neither white nor male and the demographics have been all over the place since the geezers demanded that Star Trek be brought back years after it was canceled. When it aired, DS9 was the only show on television that had two black men and two military-trained women, not just as the main characters, but in positions of power over everyone else on the show. It was the first time we really saw Roddenberry’s vision of a universe where race and gender were irrelevant not just in what the characters said but in who the characters were. If I was annoyed at one time by pandering to the dream demographics by having Dax and Kira in tight outfits and Worf and Sisko kicking butt with bat’leths, I’ve long ago realized that what made this show great was so much bigger than such petty things.
As a season opener, this is one of the finest Star Trek has ever offered, better paced and more dramatic than either the Bajoran arc that opened the second season or the Dominion story that opened the third. The character work isn’t as deep, but in retrospect I guess Worf and his angst has to be introduced all over again in case there’s a DS9 audience that didn’t stick with TNG, particularly Generations and the fate of Picard’s ship. It’s obvious in that film that Worf and Troi are no longer a couple, and, at the end of the final season, that Worf is once again questioning his loyalty to Starfleet versus his human and Klingon families. I was a little (okay, a lot) tired of all the Klingon stuff by the end of that series, but they do offer sustained conflict that doesn’t revolve around spatial anomalies or technobabble, which is a good thing for the franchise as a whole, and they offer potential new sources of stories involving the Bajorans, Cardassians, and Dominion as well, though I’m mystified how the Klingons think they’re going to keep any of their enemies down primarily with bat’leths and daggers. Sisko and Worf make entertaining doppelgangers – they have wonderful gravelly voices, they scowl better than anyone else in the universe, they’ve both suffered painful, alienating personal losses, yet their approaches to dealing with Starfleet members and aliens alike is quite different and although Worf jumps high into the command structure – I think he’s behind only Kira and Dax on the station and behind only Sisko on the Defiant – command is never his priority or his strength. Sisko is clearly still reveling in his promotion and it’s lovely to see his relationship with Kasidy Yates progressing, though there’s something creepy about their interactions here (all season I kept expecting her to turn out to be a shapeshifter, since she doesn’t manage to have that dinner with Sisko; her real secret turned out to be even more interesting).
Unfortunately Kira and Odo don’t get a lot to do even in such a long episode, not being experts on Klingons. Apart from the line about how strange she feels saving Cardassia, Kira has few memorable moments; while I like that idea of her and O’Brien in charge of the station while the kids are away, we don’t get to see them interact much, and although I keep complaining about the whole crew flying off all the time, for once I wished she was on the Defiant so we could be reminded that she’s as good a strategist as Worf. Strategy may be what Worf’s supposed to be for, but we must hear the word “honor” twenty times, and it reminds me how very bored I was of what had become the Klingon cliches by the end of The Next Generation, how relieved I was when Worf and Troi got together because it gave him something else to talk about. Since Dax is an expert on Klingon culture, it’s only too predictable that they’ll be discussing Klingon battles and singing battle songs before too long (and that she’ll be his dream girl). Worf coming in as an outsider serves as a reminder that the disparate personalities of DS9 now work as close friends, even family, sharing dinner parties as well as work problems, and it’s hard to see how Worf is going to fit in with someone like Quark, who’s at his best explaining to Odo that everyone on his Ferengi ship thought he was a good critic, then getting hysterical listening to Odo read the note about how Rom had “borrowed” his disruptor parts. Bashir and Odo have a nice moment too, reflecting on whether Odo’s death at the hands of a warrior would be a good subject for a Klingon opera. And the station’s other perpetual outsider, Garak – who claims he learned Klingon doing alterations – gets invited to serve as the ultimate insider, then to make contact with his old enemy Dukat, whose mocking comments about how Garak will be stuck making women’s dresses without an Obsidian Order fail to dampen Garak’s exultation at knowing something Dukat doesn’t.
Deep Space Nine always ran the risk of stagnation, since it’s set on a space station and doesn’t have a new world to explore each week. “The Way of the Warrior” demonstrates that the producers intend to keep things lively, right from the new opening credits crowded with new ships, new names, and new jazzed-up music and improved hairdos (or lack thereof) for much of the cast. It’s also becoming apparent that the large guest cast is here to stay, which is great for story arcs – since it’s apparent that Bajor isn’t going to be the only one, it’s all to the good that there’s a wider view of the quadrant and the universe – but larger casts mean juggling the main characters so that they don’t always get as much to do, meaning less of an emphasis on character development. Then again, sustained conflict with more than one enemy means that paranoia and tension will be better sustained, particularly with the possibility that anyone, anywhere may be a Founder instead of who he or she seems. And if I’m ambivalent about the station turning into the Death Star at battle stations, I also know that we will never see it happen all that often.
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This is the episode where I finally convinced my remaining DS9-skeptical friends that DS9 was the best show ever. 🙂 And not just because Worf was finally on it, though I really liked Worf on DS9. (I think he fit in there even better than he did on TNG.) I think it was more the mega epic space battles that did it…
Some of the early internet rumors I read back when DS9 was being first developed listed both O’Brien and Worf as potentially moving to the new show. I always thought Worf would be perfect for the show, so when he finally moved it was completely awesome.
i honestly miss those years, and i miss the station.
Once again, Rick Berman and the former staff at Paramount proved that DS9 made one of many attempts to copy the Babylon 5 formula and adapt it into the Star Trek realm. The Way Of The Warrior is a a clear sign of that.
For example:
1. The Dominion – A threat that was clearly copied from the alien race known as The Shadows(B5).
2. The Klingon Invasion of Cardassia – An offensive scenario copied from the Centauri invasion of the Narn on Babylon 5.
Granted I did like the title of the episode in reference to the code of the Japanese Samurai(i.e. Bushidō (“the way of the warrior”), the way of the samurai life, loosely analogous to the concept of chivalry). Let alone the Klingons blowing away the Cardassians(I never cared much for that race), but the simple fact of the matter is this: the producers of DS9 tried to copy Babylon 5.
Yet another sign of the franchise fatigue that would claim Star Trek in the years to come.
So Babylon V owned the idea of one bunch of aliens invading another? I’m pretty sure it was made up long before that. And how exactly are the Dominion copied from the Shadows? They don’t seem to have much in common.
Please, don’t feed the trolls… Now we’ll have to hear how TOS and TNG are the only real Star Trek until JJ Abrams, and how awful it is for anyone to remotely criticize any of those things… meanwhile Star Trek Continues is filled with stealing hacks, etc etc etc.
Babylon 5 and DS9 had similar settings and some similar themes, namely space stations and an interstellar conflict that involved covert machinations… But, I assure you, the concept of a space station wasn’t created by B5, nor was war… nor was subterfuge. This has nothing to do with JJ Abrams or Star Trek Continues… Now, if we can agree to discuss within that context, carry on… If not, I just wish people would ignore this guy.
And I wish purists such as yourself would refrain from all of the negative and unnecessary hate that has been directed toward J.J. Abrams. Granted you can’t please every fan, but this UNjustifiable hate and resentment toward Abrams just makes you purists as bad as the actions committed by those at STC. Or worse.
If anything, you are the trolls who don’t need to be fed.
And yes, Star Trek Continues is filled with stealing hacks.
Quite simply – similar acts and VERY similar circumstances.
He said no such thing. You’re ranting at no one. Autism in action.
Anybody who thinks DS9 copied Babylon 5 has zero clue how the television industry works.
Well, you have certainly shown your true colors by slandering those who have that unfortunate disorder.
I have a very good idea how the industry works, and most of the time, certain portions of the industry ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ just to get ahead. That often includes stealing someone else’s idea and reshaping it into their own image, just to claim that it was their own.
If only there were more people like JJ Abrams to infuse fresh ideas, characters, and situations into Star Trek… I mean, there’s absolutely nothing derivative about it. It’s not like he just took 50 year old characters, demolished their backstories, added a touch of lens flare, and repackaged a shinier, but far less interesting or important product for the masses… Nor would he release information to that same fan community that he couldn’t come up with a sequel on his own and was reliant on 1 of 5 extant characters… no, certainly such a creative genius wouldn’t do that… none of it.
Having to working and help people with intellectual or developmental disabilities I find your comment greatly offensive — as with the other dipsticks who ticked in agreement. One of the biggest difficulties is to get such people accepted in our society and educate the non-disabled in improving their ill-informed attitudes. Those with autism still have huge hurdles to overcome; but the majority are kind and gentle people, who can be loved and be loved. Most of the time the ‘ranting’, as you so ineloquently state, is reactions to those who treat them unkindly or ignore them.
Frankly saying despicable things like this makes doubt you own sanity or basic decency. Clearly, too, you really haven’t got the message about Star Trek and the hope of a better future for humankind and the need to work with others to achieve that goal.
While I may disagree with both Polaris01313-1 and Mike’s opinion here too, but at least he is able to express himself in a polite manner. If you disagree, give reasons why or just ignore them. All you show us here is that you are a crude and ignorant individual. To your condemnation, sir!
From the reviewer…”I was a little (okay, a lot) tired of all the Klingon stuff by the end of that series” Really? TNG had too much Klingon stuff?????? And of course, we couldn’t have a review without her usual rant about the sexes…
I don’t know if you purists out there realize this or not, but you people are the exact reason why Abrams did what he did with Trek. If he hadn’t, he’d constantly have to deal with your useless nitpicking about canon. His way made it possible to have more Trek without having to check with the nerds for permission to tell a story.
I think what you meant to say was, “Without rebooting, how could he repackage 50 years worth of other people’s material and not be called out for stealing the ideas?”
Maybe, just maybe, if he was doing anything new and/or interesting, beyond his little pet project to turn James T. Kirk from the man he was into something far lesser, you’d have a point… But this retread doesn’t spare him anything as long as he continues to use that history and those characters as a crutch.
I, too, thought the whole point of rebooting was to tell fresh new stories without being burdened by continuity… And yet, their first movie is tied directly to that in context and spirit by the presence of Nimoy, and this second installment is based around another TOS character as the villain. That doesn’t seem to me to be freeing him from the shackles of continuity, or the manifestation of a new idea… seems to me, he’s just rehashing bits from the entire run of Trek… you know, the thing he didn’t really like? The reason he wanted to make Kirk more like Han Solo?
So, he did that so we wouldn’t complain? Kudos.
Yap, yap, yap…he was responding to a comment NO ONE MADE! No one cares if you find the mention of autistic behavior offensive; it’s what he’s displaying, so be offended by him if by anyone. Doubting MY sanity when I point out that he’s ranting in reply to something the previous commenter DIDN’T SAY?
“Those with autism still have huge hurdles to overcome; but the majority are kind and gentle people, who can be loved and be loved.”
This is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to anything under discussion. Captain Aspie up there isn’t kind, gentle, or lovable, and is looking for an excuse to vent rage against the recorded fanfic with which he is at war. The only way you could waste your life worse than he has is to kiss his behind with your rants about how offended you are.
It’s amusing that my comparison of you to the developmentally disabled is taken as slander of THEM. I haven’t laughed so hard in a while.
You poor fellow. You just don’t get it, do you.
Slandering others and then being cowardly enough to hide as an anonymous twerp just about says it all.
Emotive in-your-face crap like this ain’t going to save you this time, sunshine.
Eas En Crucem, slimeball.
SJStar is right. You really don’t get it, do you? What you said about autistic behavior really crossed the line. If nothing else, it just shows how low of a human being that you really are. Hence, why many have come down on your ass hard for making such an emptyheaded and foolish remark to begin with.
Like I said before, slimeball, you showed your true colors!
Fainodraino makes a very valid point. One that I have expressed many times.
Sadly, this purist BS is partially the reason why George Lucas announced his retirement. Unfortunately, you can’t please everybody. The fan mentality never ceases to amaze me.
It’s almost like that BS that Dennis Bailey has said about Benedict Cumberbatch being Khan in the next film. When it is clearly obvious that he is not. Especially after several actors in the film have confirmed that that story was nothing more than a rumor.
anyone remember Legion of Superheroes (DC Comics) “The Great Darkness Saga”?
How is anyone else’s opinion of a newcomer to Star Trek who has a professed disinterest in it purist BS, but it’s okay for you to hate on everything post TNG up to Abrams’ abomination??? You dislike DS9. You dislike Voyager. You dislike Enterprise. If I recall correctly, you don’t like any of the Next Generation movies. So… Why is your opinion so much more valid and valuable to share than anyone whose opinion differs from your own?
Rick Berman and Brannon Braga outlived their usefulness to Star Trek, no doubt. But at least they, at some point, understood the material… something that cannot be said of the guy you want to defend while simultaneously slamming people that gave us some of the best Star Trek ever made… I think you have the right to your opinion on that, as wrong as I believe it to be, but I get really tired of having you bash us as purists while you hate the vast majority of Star Trek that’s ever been made.
By your logic, EVERY TV series and movie plagiarizes reality. Everyone has done what everyone else has done (see the South Park episode titled “The Simpsons Already Did It”). And why this particular subject still being discussed 20 years later. JMS pitched his idea Paramount before Warner Bros. and it was later adopted into the Star Trek franchise. Both B5 and DS9 have a lot of similarities, yes, but there are far more noticeable differences. If you ask me, Stargate SG-1 was far more derivative, but it still has its own unique identity.
SJStar is your real name? Polaris is his real name? Guest is just as real a moniker for him as those are for you two…
Oh, right…
…as those are for you two, sunshine.
I do enjoy First Contact, but that is only because of the return of one character from the original series. That character being Zefram Cochrane. I’m not a fan of TNG, but I still respect it. Berman and Braga giving the fans some of the best that Star Trek ever produced? If that isn’t a laugh, then I don’t know what is.
The way you and other people have come off against Abrams certainly sounds like the remarks of a purist. I can’t think of any other description that fits that.
Stephen James Starr is my actual name and is upfront as possible. “Guest” could be anyone and multiple individuals. I’ve posted here before, it is unknown ‘Guest” history.
Calling people ‘autistic’ is plainly unacceptable within decent human behaviour.
My whole point is that dipsticks sometimes use blog sites to spread their hate speech knowing they hold anonymity. It is easy to disagree with someone (even having heated conversation), it is another to use tactics by name-calling or picking on those who are unable to stand up for themselves. I.e. Those with autism or intellectual / developmental disabilities.
Let’s see… If you see a someone pick on someone who is unable to defend themselves, do you just stand by or do you get involved? It ultimately defines who and what kind of person you are.
Also too, decency anywhere needs to be upheld, else the blog sites turn to chaos. It costs absolutely nothing to be considerate, and when it comes to DS9 or the whole Star Trek franchise, you expect such things from those who share their common interests and thoughts.
Kindness will yield more honey than spewing intemperate hate speech. Just saying.
(I have real grievance with your words or ideas, Mike.)
“You’re ranting at no one. Autism in action.”
Autism is not defined by “ranting at no one.” It is a stereotype not based on any fact, and is in fact discriminatory.
You keep saying this guy attacked people with Autism… he did no such thing. He basically said that Polaris was acting like someone with Autism. Was he wrong? Here’s the dictionary.com defintion, both of them, of autism:
1. Psychiatry. a pervasive developmental disorder of children, characterized by impaired communication, excessive rigidity, and emotional detachment: now considered one of the autism spectrum disorders.
2. a tendency to view life in terms of one’s own needs and desires.
Now, he didn’t say anything bad about people with Autism… he just said that Polaris was acting like he had it. And, reviewing the definition, how is it wrong to say he ACTS LIKE HE HAS AUTISM?
If someone is incredibly hyper and isn’t able to focus, is it somehow inherently wrong to question if they have ADD? If someone has to use profanity every third word, is it unreasonable or cruel to postulate they have tourette’s syndrome? Does that somehow make fun of people that have ADD or tourettes? Or is it just an observation that people are acting outside the norm? In this case, if Polaris doesn’t strike you as having impaired communication skills or that he is excessively rigid, you’d be in the minority, methinks… So yeah, he said Polaris’ actions were autism in action… and by the definition of autistic behavior, how is he wrong?
If your objection is that he was using that as a way to strike out, and thus inferring that autism is something bad to be joked about, well, that’s probably true too… but it doesn’t mean he was making fun of people with autism for their condition. He was pointing out that Polaris probably doesn’t have that tragic condition, which removes any excuse for HIS behavior. Undiplomatic? Sure. Accurate on the face of it? Absolutely.
Also, was your last line supposed to read that you have a grievance with me, or that you have no griveance with me? Just wondering as it wasn’t clear without the “no” or an indefinite article…
Lastly, bees make honey, not kindness… so kindness and intemperate hate speech actually make the same amount of honey… just sayin’. 😉
Actually, autism is defined as “a pervasive developmental disorder of children, characterized by impaired communication, excessive rigidity, and emotional detachment or a tendency to view life in terms of one’s own needs and desires.”
If we’re going to debate definitions, let’s debate the definition… There it is… and, I hate to break it to you, that’s pretty much the exact behavior the Guest was pointing to when he said autism in action… so………. your turn… feel free to define autism, and then let’s run Polaris’ actions through that lens and see if his actions aren’t, at least somewhat, consistent with autistic behavior… Pretend all you want, the guy doesn’t act like a properly socialized adult.
LMAO You enjoy First Contact because of the presence of Zefram Cochrane in an appearance that bears no resemblence to the character we saw in TOS? Wow.
So, the only thing you like is TOS and the TOS rehash from Abrams… Well, given what you just said about Zefram Cochrane, that actually makes more sense now. You don’t care what’s done with those characters, you just demand their names be used. So, it’s fine that the Zefram Cochrane from TOS is completely different. It’s fine that Spock cares more about whales than his mother or his entire planet. It’s fine that Kirk has been turned into a shadow of himself to fulfill the Han Solo fanwank dreams of JJ Abrams… Just as long as it’s “Cochrane”, “Spock”, and “Kirk”, apparently.
Also, the notion that you only like TOS and Abrams’ abomination, and then have the nerve to call everyone else purists? Talk about living in your own little world…………… D E L U S I O N A L *
*I should point out that I use the term delusional in a contemporary, colloquial usage, not meant as a medical diagnosis.**
**For those that can’t read English within a context or with proper tonality.
Sigh. You poor fellow. You just don’t get it, either.
Sorry, an error. I do have no real grievance with your words or ideas, Mike
1. I don’t demand any original series character being used. Or their names. Be it the alternate timeline or the original one. Did you ever think that with the timeline altered, that changes would be made? Not just with time, but with individual personalities as well? I’ll admit that I wasn’t too hip on some of those changes, but that still did not stop me from enjoying the film for what it is, and the fact that they acknowledged that the timeline was altered due to Nero’s interference. So what if Abrams was fulfilling his so-called fanwork(not fanwank as you describe it)dreams. Those criticisms can be answered in the same way that fans have responded to the Star Wars prequels. The Star Trek prequel/reboot was Abrams’ film and he could do whatever the hell he wanted to do with it. New timeline. Altered history. Enough said!
2. I didn’t say that I disliked TNG. I ONLY said that while I do respect it, I am not much of a fan or follower of it. I would hardly call that as disliking or hating it.
3. Who is to say that Zefram Cochrane wasn’t the way he was depicted in First Contact before the events depicted in Metamorphosis? There wasn’t much personal background indicated or revealed concerning Cochrane’s past. Who is to say whether or not that the events after First Contact, let alone his encounter with the Companion, did more than just change him physically as well as mentally.
4. It is not DELUSIONAL that I prefer TOS and Abrams’ prequel/reboot(not abomination as you and others have so colorfully branded it).
I’m afraid I am not entirely familiar with that storyline.
And I suppose that the various other postings/responses(colorful as they have been)to those that differ with yours and others have been the acts of a properly socialized adult? That’s just about calling the kettle black.
If you think my responses are symptomatic of autism, feel free to say it. I won’t get bent out of shape or PRETEND to be offended by it.
The question wasn’t about my behavior, mind you, it was about yours and your and SJStar’s reaction to a harmless, tongue-in-cheek observation that’s not inaccurate. Nowhere did I say I was the paragon of adult behavior… but, and I’m just guessing now, I’d say that your tantrums (all about the same thing) and attitude generally are seen by far more people as egregious than my comments… Don’t think so? Review how many up votes and down votes each of us have gotten in this thread… Not scientific, but certainly indicative of passion and sentiment…
No, the delusional part is to only really like Kirk and crew, while bashing as derivative hacks everyone else that ever did Star Trek, and then claiming the people that like the vast majority of all Trek are the ones being the purists… I don’t get what’s so hard to understand here… It’s been in English.
I would hardly call liking Kirk and his crew only as being delusional. I would call it as having the freedom to choose.
You can’t choose anything if you can’t understand simple English. I’m out.
Another fine example of arrogance and close-minded behavior.
I can see where the term ‘fan’ can be often described a short for fanatic. In this case, it’s purist fanaticism!
I have no interest, let alone do not concern myself, in the reviewing of how many votes are up and down in this thread. That is the business and decision of others.
Nope, but a conversation has to be between at least two people… and you aren’t remotely responding to what is actually being said… so, there’s no point.
If you mean there is no point in having a discussion with you, then you are quite right. To be perfectly honest, you and this confusing, inexplicable, atypical, and illogical purist behavior has bored the living hell out of me.